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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:50 am 
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observations from QandA tonight:

1. 200 young liberals in the house tonight. :wink:
2. even though (1) seemed a reasonable assessment there did seem to be an undercurrent that indicates that there will be some loss of voter support in the young demographic from Kevin07 - almost to the point of "not again in '10".
3. simple answers are not a natural battleground for the verbose one.


Yeah...lifting the drinking age to 21 is sure to be a winner with the young'uns. :lol:

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Channel 10 ran a phone poll during tonight's bulletin - 85% voted to increase the age to 21.

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 Post subject: Re: general politics thread
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I think if your old enough to pay tax your old enough to vote if you are old enough to vote your old enough to make your own decisions regarding all things adult Drinking, smoking, watching R rated movies now if they want to make income tax free for people under 21 fair enough I will support raising the drinking age till then I think this ageism is disgusting they a removing the right of young adults at every opportunity your not independent of your parents income till your 26 years when they work out student benefits for example it is disgraceful.

Old enough to pay tax old enough to vote should have equal rights as anyone else :x

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 Post subject: Re: general politics thread
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new policy brought to you by the nanny state :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: general politics thread
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Watching so called expert on 7pm project and that talk back tosser on the show too about the drinking age and it is a real worry.

Drinking is not the problem Binge Drinking is policies that have been brought in to combat it are restrictive and talk back knobs saying can't have 24 hour pubs etc it's wrong etc etc... They have all missed the point the restrictions are reinforcing the poor behaviours. By treating the symptom they will only make the situation worse stats may say otherwise but lot of the problems are not recorded accurately.

If you want a flexible 24 hour economy which is what they want and the only way growth can be maintained a night time economy needs to be further developed and encouraged not sidelined or marginalised. The lockouts and licencing restrictions have basically made the only clubs and pubs available at night those that aren't an entertainment venue and the whole transaction revolves around the consumption of alcohol. Need food, entertainment variety, and a choice not to drink something other than alcohol the key to stopping binge drinking is a vibrant night time economy where the unwanted behaviours are marginalised. Key to this is planning, better lighting, public transport, conglomeration of venues to allow police to more effectively do their job. At the moment good behaviour is marginalised those who do the right thing and they are also punished.

it is not rocket science, liquor accords would be happy to help pay for it rather then be driven out of business by the tony browns of the world (google him and alcohol related violence in Australia) it would provide massive return to governments too in terms of GST and other tax.

Another factor often forgotten is that any city with shift workers over the size of say 250,000 for sure needs to be 24 hours in near future of real time communications across the globe if things are going to work etc.

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 Post subject: Re: general politics thread
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No real star performers on Q&A last night, but Barmyby can actually be quite engaging with his line of endearing blather. His confirmation that he wasn't having sex with Tony Abbott, and that he didn't care passionately if he wasn't Shadow Finance Minister were both strangely reassuring.
Lindsay came accross ok in parts, even credible at times, but needs to work on his hand gesturing which became rather repetitive. He was given a nice work out by the veterans, and while ultimately unsatisfactory he gave a fairly plausible if disappointing response.

Is Satyajit there as some kind of Sage delivering Solomonic wisdom to the rabble from time to time?

Unfortunately I can't think of too much the ladies (Rebecca and Melinda) said; something about ironing, there was another thing about Tony Abbott's dick-togs and the sexualisation of children...

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No real star performers on Q&A last night, but Barmyby can actually be quite engaging with his line of endearing blather. His confirmation that he wasn't having sex with Tony Abbott, and that he didn't care passionately if he wasn't Shadow Finance Minister were both strangely reassuring.
Lindsay came accross ok in parts, even credible at times, but needs to work on his hand gesturing which became rather repetitive. He was given a nice work out by the veterans, and while ultimately unsatisfactory he gave a fairly plausible if disappointing response.

Is Satyajit there as some kind of Sage delivering Solomonic wisdom to the rabble from time to time?

Unfortunately I can't think of too much the ladies (Rebecca and Melinda) said; something about ironing, there was another thing about Tony Abbott's dick-togs and the sexualisation of children...

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I'm pretty sure Satyajit had his eyes on the 'most annoying yet superfluous panel member' award created for Todd Sampson (don't fret, the Todd still holds it by a fair margin). It was a dud episode; the potentially entertaining showdown between Finance and Shadow, between rational and insane was prevented from coming to pass by dud fellow panelists, especially the one that tried to be funny all night and the one that got a dorothy dixer and whined about sexually conservative stuff for half an hour.

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serge44 wrote:
observations from QandA tonight:

1. 200 young liberals in the house tonight. :wink:


well there was at least one

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Angela Samuels ...was one of 200 teenagers invited on to ABC’s Q&A show to ask Kevin Rudd questions in a session recorded at Old Parliament House.

Things became heated when the 18-year-old Young Liberal member grilled the PM about his promise to deliver a laptop to every child in the nation’s schools.
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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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The Q and A team came out with a defence which I thought was fair enough. Where are you going to get people that are interested in politics that aren't biased or in a party? As long as they don't all come from one angle it is all right. If their question is sensible let it be asked.

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Angela Samuels told Q&A she was a Coalition voter when she registered. She also ticked the box to confirm she was a party member. When we put together the audience for that night, her political preferences went into the mix. Among the 215 young citizens who got their chance to question the Prime Minister she was one of the 33 per cent who want to vote for his opponent. We also had 39 per cent who would vote for the ALP, 13 per cent who intend to vote Green, another 13 per cent who were unsure or unwilling to nominate a preference.

That's not a scientific sample of 16-25 year old voters (and will-be voters) but it is the sort of crowd that gives Q&A guests a fair mix of supporters and opponents and makes for a lively discussion that represents a range of opinions. There are supporters for both sides - the PM and his ministers will get a round of applause and the Opposition can expect the same.

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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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I was more surprised I guessed right than whether there was any screening done :roll:

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Young Liberals aren't that hard to spot, Serge.

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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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The most surprising thing is that Serge (of all people) is expecting an ABC program to be fair and balanced.

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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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The Q and A team came out with a defence which I thought was fair enough. Where are you going to get people that are interested in politics that aren't biased or in a party? As long as they don't all come from one angle it is all right. If their question is sensible let it be asked.

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Angela Samuels told Q&A she was a Coalition voter when she registered. She also ticked the box to confirm she was a party member. When we put together the audience for that night, her political preferences went into the mix. Among the 215 young citizens who got their chance to question the Prime Minister she was one of the 33 per cent who want to vote for his opponent. We also had 39 per cent who would vote for the ALP, 13 per cent who intend to vote Green, another 13 per cent who were unsure or unwilling to nominate a preference.

That's not a scientific sample of 16-25 year old voters (and will-be voters) but it is the sort of crowd that gives Q&A guests a fair mix of supporters and opponents and makes for a lively discussion that represents a range of opinions. There are supporters for both sides - the PM and his ministers will get a round of applause and the Opposition can expect the same.


IMO the problem isn't people from one side or another, the problem is when single-issue groups astro-turf a campaign to get their issue onto the show. Bernard Keane highlights the problem well:

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It also suggests Q&A is having continuing difficulties getting the balance right between partisan audience members who can deliver controversy, and representatives of the other 98% of the population. Last night’s dreadful episode, in which the mouth-watering clash between Lindsay Tanner and Barnaby Joyce was ruined by the presence of three other irrelevant and less-than-exciting guests, seemed to have been allowed by the ABC to be used as a soapbox.

There was a group of ex-ADF personnel running a well-organised email campaign to have their pension benefits boosted, and an apparent supporter of Melinda Tankard-Reist’s campaign to censor and regulate everything faintly connected to sex, who served her up with a Dorothy Dixer that allowed her to range over sexualisation of children — including peddling the internet myth that Noah Cyrus is launching a lingerie line for nine-year-olds — and the recent attacks on Government websites.

Which is all fine if Q&A wants to become a lobby for professional barrow-pushers, but it makes for less-than-compelling television.

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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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The same article addresses the issue of lobby groups, Murray.

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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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And yet I still find it a problem? They may have addressed it, but it still makes for rubbish television.

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Fair enough, I just thought you may not have viewed the article in full. I haven't adjusted to the Monday night timeslot and haven't seen any stacking. I think you would have to make an exception for the Larouchites. That Global Warming Swindle Q&A was one of the most amusing pieces television I have seen with more and more crazy popping up whenever Tony Jones went for a crowd question. I like the fact they can be so oragnsied and passionate yet so obviously unhinged, I would love for someone to do a "Where Are They Now?" shows in twenty years to see how they end up and see if they still hold any of the same views.

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13% voting green? this being held in nimbin or something?

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13% voting green? this being held in nimbin or something?

Not Tasmania. Their vote is much higher for the Greens.
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EMRS has kicked off the Tasmanian election campaign with a poll showing a remarkable surge in support for the Greens, who after distribution of the undecided are only four points behind Labor. Labor are down two points on their already weak showing in November to 31 per cent, but the Liberals are also down five to 39 per cent. The Greens are up six points to 27 per cent. If reflected on March 20, which I personally wouldn’t put money on, the result would probably be 19 seats evenly divided between the majors and six for the Greens. The number of respondents was 867, for a margin of error of about 3.3 per cent.

How do you like them apples, BD? (see what I did - apples, Tasmania) #-o

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 Post subject: Re: QANDA discussion and general fun times thread (QANDADAGFTT)
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we had a EMRS poll released in the paper yesterday, Parkie, that had Lib 30, Lab 23, Gre 22.

Leaves a lot of undecided - 25% - and I don't reckon many of them will go green. I see the Greens getting their best ever poll figures being down to major dissatisfaction from both major parties. Labor are really on the nose and Libs are providing very little alternative..

Usual story around the country, I suppose.

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